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The Reality of Faith vs StatePosted Sunday, November 27, 2011, at 9:01 PM
Back when the United States of America became a reality, it was our truly brilliant founders who knew what they wanted in a country; what worked and didn't work in the old countries in Europe.
One of the most important concepts that came out of the constitutional hearings in Philadelphia was the separation of religion and state. These learned leaders had seen what happened when nations mixes faith and government. They knew the problems that could arise deciding which religion is correct for a whole country to espouse. Here's a great example. King Henry the Eighth of England needed a legitimate male heir to his throne. The Roman Catholic Church which was the state church of Great Britain, at that time, wouldn't let him divorce. So after much fighting with the Pope, King Henry broke from England and made up his own religion. Thus Episcopalism was born. He divorced Catharine of Aragon and married Anne Boleyn but he still didn't get his male heir. And of course, Henry goes through four more wives before that saga is over. Most of our forefathers came to this country for religious freedom. The Pilgrims* settled the New England colonies. They had enough of church run governments and they had seen wars fought over religions. They wanted nothing to do with the upheaval caused by trying to ram another person's faith down an unwilling citizen's throat. That's why they left Holland, too. This is why our founders stressed that the separation of religion and state was so very important for the survival of our fledgling country. Here's a fairly modern day example of how a country suffers when their state religion and their government are mixed up. That country's name is Iran. Look how well that's turned out for them. America's religious right hates Muslims. And yet, I can't see a big difference between Christian zealots and Muslim zealots. They both want the same thing and that is to control their respective governments. However, during the last few decades, our politicians have forgotten this important tenet in the constitution. Instead they have listened to the right wing conservative Christians in our country who each feel they have the only true faith. These voters think they know what God wants for our country. This concept is called Dominionism ** by evangelicals. This term comes from Genesis 1:26-28 in the Old Testament of the bible where God instructs Adam and Eve to "have dominion" over every living thing on Earth, thus they believe they "must exercise dominion in the name of God and that the world must be brought under God's law politically, economically and in every other way possible." *** These same voters all proclaim to be Christians. But they can't even decide which faith is correct. For example: the Lutherans have several synods. There are the Evangelical Lutherans, the Missouri Synod, the Wisconsin Synod and on and on. The same is true with the Baptists. They have the Southern, the Baptist General Conference, the Free Will Baptists and so on. None of them trust each other because they know only they have the true religion. Now, how are all these different brands of Christians going to decide which candidate is just the right believer for the job of president of our great country? Are they going to hire a faith arbitrator for religious correctness or will "the decider" be self appointed? I am inclined to believe it would be the latter. Maybe Chuck Colson, the Watergate felon turned fundamental Christian, will offer his services. * My faith, also known as Congregationalism.
Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann both believe in the Dominionism mandate.
Church & State Volume 64, Number 9. Issue: October 2011 Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Yes you are right.
In the contest between science and religion, science will win. Science is based on knowledge whereas religion is based on authority.
-- Stephen Hawking
Enid I am very sorry about today. I am not my self. I should not have acted in the way i did. You were in the right. Please let this slip by.
My posted this on my FB page..
Charles 'Chuck' Fisher it's funny how America's religious groups espouse"3: take up the cause, ideology, practice, method, of someone and use it as one's own; "She embraced Catholocism"; "They adopted the Jewish faith" [syn: embrace, adopt, sweep up]" that the other faiths are taking over america, It also is funny that this same thing happens when a Judge (local, state, federal or Supreme Court) rules against their view. They immedately espouse the belief that judual activism is taking over the country and that The United States is no longer a christian country. I say if they are worried about the United States no longer believing in the Christian faith, then they better get busy in their churches and make sure they are teaching the christian faith to their followers, don't use the courts or the legislative to try and make up for the lack of teaching. And to get one thing very very correct here I am a christian and I beleive in Jesus and I also beleive in the separtion of chuch and state. I served in the United States Army, and served with Jews, Muslems, and yes atheist and we served together as one. We were American solders and we fought for the right for each other to beleive in THEIR OWN relgion
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The last Bush got in because priests told Catholics to vote for the most important job in our country based solely on their stand on abortion. See where it got us? They believed he would change things and abortion would be abolished. Well, is it? Exactly. That's what voting for a president based on religious belief gets you. In fact, right-to-lifers would do well to note that a lot more lives (and whatever progeny they could have created) were lost because they put Bush in office than would have been saved had he actually abolished abortion.
I see stupid people.
The Christian Right feels threatened because their leaders tell them that they're under attack. I think this is partly because their leaders actually feel they are being attacked and partly because the "threat" induces a follower mentality that gives the leaders power.
The "threat" really is just the loss of their privileged position in American society. The Christian Right's response to this threat has had two components. The short term component has been to decry the "decine" of faith "because of secular humanism and atheism." This keeps the laymen agitated and sets the context for their long-term component, controlling secular society.
The Christian Right leaders don't want the responsibility for actually running a secular government, the just want to control it. They see the Church as setting laws and intervening when necessary to attain their ends. For example, an adulterer would be turned over to the secular government for pro forma trial and execution. I write "pro forma" because a magistrate (there would be no jury trials) would consider evidence and pronounce sentence with little discretion.
I believe it is this certainty that attracts dominionists. No longer will the have to deal with complicated issues, such as whether or not evolution should be taught in schools. Christians will be in the saddle. Others will be second class citizens at best and condemned criminals at worst. I see no good choices in a Christian Dominion.